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Five Thoughts: Illinois vs. Ohio State, Kentucky’s freshmen ‘woes’

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League standings have nothing to do with NCAA tournament seeding: I spent 16 hours over the course of two days last week locked in a room with 19 other writers as we traversed our way through the NCAA tournament selection process. And one thing that I can tell you with utter certainty is that league records don’t mean a single thing to the committee. It’s not just that we don’t mention what the record for a team is in conference play, it’s not even available on the nitty gritty profiles used to compare teams.

Illinois and Ohio State are a perfect example of this. The Illini currently trail the Buckeyes by two games in the Big Ten standings, but if the season were to end today, Illinois may actually have a higher seed in the NCAA tournament than Ohio State.

Why?

Well, Ohio State’s resume is bolstered by the simple fact they have played a lot of good teams. They did beat Michigan and they do have a win over Wisconsin at home, but their best road win is at Nebraska. Illinois has won at Gonzaga and won at Minnesota. They beat Indiana at home and they have wins over Butler and Ohio State, the latter of which was a 19 point victory to kick off Big Ten play.

Sure, those losses to Northwestern and Purdue are ugly, but is that really enough to outweigh the fact they have four wins over the RPI top 20, three of which were away from home? It’s worth arguing, but I’d probably seed Illinois higher.

Kentucky’s struggles should only emphasize just how impressive last year’s team was: This is what a team filled with freshmen and newcomers is supposed to do. They’re supposed to struggle to find their roles and they’re supposed to have issues with leadership and playing consistently. The transition from high school and AAU ball to playing at the highest level of collegiate hoops isn’t supposed to be easy.

And just because it was for Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Anthony Davis last season doesn’t mean it will be for any other crop of freshmen that John Calipari brings in.

All things considered, Archie Goodwin and Alex Poythress have had decent freshmen seasons. If they were on any other team or in any other programs, they wouldn’t be considered failures as much as they would be thought of as freshmen that are being freshmen. So Goodwin shoots to much and has a bit of a temper. So Poythress struggles with consistency and gets overwhelmed by the moment. So Willie Cauley-Stein is raw. They’re supposed to be.

Don’t let the fact that Coach Cal landed a series of players that never should have set foot on a college campus blind you to the fact that this year’s freshman class looks an awful lot like what freshmen are supposed to look like.

Eli Carter fractured his fibula, and came away lucky: The Rutgers guard will be out the rest of the season after fracturing his right fibula in an ugly fall against DePaul on Saturday. He isn’t expected to need surgery — and he even tried to convince the Scarlet Knight medical staff to let him back into the game — but the sophomore won’t be suiting up again this season.

But watch how he fell:

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He’s lucky that his leg is still attached. That could have been so much worse.

(GIF via @bubbaprog)

NC State played it right, but got robbed by the refs: Up by three with just eight seconds left, NC State decided to foul Virginia Tech point guard Erick Green. Green made the first free throw and missed the second, and Jarell Eddie was there to tip-in the miss and send the game to overtime.

NC State made the right call, because if the officials had made the right call, the game never would have made it to overtime. Watch Eddie’s feet:

He’s well past the three point line before the ball hits the rim. That’s a clear violation. The basket should have been waived off.

The bigger issue is that this was the third last-second bucket that was scored on NC State because of the lack of a box out. It cost them against Maryland, when Richard Howell and CJ Leslie both tried to block Pe’Shon Howard’s shot and no one boxed out Alex Len. It cost them against Miami, when Richard Howell missed a box-out on Reggie Johnson. Luckily for Wolfpack fans, all this shot did was force overtime.

Johnathon Loyd has played well of late: Oregon lost three games in a row because of their point guard play. We noted that fact. So we should also not that that point guard has played much better of late. With Dominic Artis out with a foot injury,  Loyd struggled in his first couple of games running the show. But in the last three, he’s scored 22 points, handed out 11 assists, and, most importantly, turned the ball over just four times. It’s no surprise that Oregon won games at Washington and Washington State this week.

You can find Rob on twitter @RobDauster.

College Basketball Talk Top 25: Villanova reigns supreme

VILLANOVA, PA - DECEMBER 03: Josh Hart #3 of the Villanova Wildcats drives to the basket against Chris Clover #15 of the Saint Joseph's Hawks in the second half at The Pavilion on December 3, 2016 in Villanova, Pennsylvania. The Villanova Wildcats defeated the Saint Joseph's Hawks 88-57. (Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images)
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1. Villanova (8-0, Last Week: 1): We had Villanova No. 1 last week, they’re still undefeated and they’re now beating Big 5 foes by 30 points while Josh Hart is posting triple-doubles. Plus, they have that really nice win at Purdue in their back pocket.

2. UCLA (8-0, 11): You knew the Bruins were going to take a jump in the rankings after winning at Kentucky.

3. Kansas (7-1, 3): They’re still my pick to win the national title, but what have they done this season to deserve being ranked above UCLA or Villanova? Beat a depleted Duke team? Frankly, there’s an argument to be made that Baylor could be ranked over them as the best Big 12 team.

4. Duke (8-1, 4): Jayson Tatum and Marques Bolden are back. Harry Giles III is not, and Grayson Allen missed the last game. Will we see them on Tuesday in the Jimmy V Classic?

5. Kentucky (7-1, 2): They drop after losing to UCLA at home, but let’s be honest, how much are they going to drop when they lost to the team currently ranked No. 2?

6. North Carolina (8-1, 5): The Tar Heels did not have their best night in a loss at Indiana, but there are going to be a lot of teams that don’t have their best night in that gym.

7. Gonzaga (8-0, 6): Another week, another two wins for Gonzaga. They landed a win over a depleted Arizona team over the weekend.

8. Baylor (8-0, 8): The Bears picked up another huge win over Xavier this week, winning by 15 points at home, but they remain at 8th in our rankings thanks to UCLA jumping up nine spots.

9. Creighton (8-0, 9): The Bluejays keep piling up the wins as Marcus Foster keeps piling up the points. The top of the Big East race is going to be a lot of fun this season.

10. Indiana (7-1, 12): Indiana has the two best wins in the country right now, but they also have that pesky loss to Fort Wayne. Inconsistency is going to be a killer for this team.

11. Wisconsin (7-2, 16)
12. Louisville (7-1, 13)
13. Xavier (7-1, 7)
14. Saint Mary’s (5-0, 15)
15. West Virginia (6-1, NR)
16. Purdue (6-2, 14)
17. South Carolina (8-0, 18)
18. Virginia (7-1, 10)
19. Cincinnati (7-1, 21)
20. Butler (8-0, 24)
21. USC (8-0, NR)
22. Florida (7-1, NR)
23. Syracuse (5-2, 19)
24. Notre Dame (8-0, NR)
25. Iowa State (6-2, 22)

DROPPED OUT: No. 17 Rhode Island, No. 20 Maryland, No. 23 Michigan, No. 25 Arizona
NEW ADDITIONS: No. 15 West Virginia, No. 21 USC, No. 22 Florida, No. 24 Notre Dame

Williams helps No. 3 North Carolina beats Radford 95-50

LAHAINA, HI - NOVEMBER 21: Kenny Williams #24 of the North Carolina Tar Heels pushed the ball up court during the second half of the Maui Invitational NCAA college basketball game against the Chaminade Silverswords at the Lahaina Civic Center on November 21, 2016 in Lahaina, Hawaii. (Photo by Darryl Oumi/Getty Images)
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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) Kenny Williams III finally had the shooting flurry that third-ranked North Carolina has been waiting to see.

The sophomore had 14 of his career-high 19 points in the opening five minutes, helping the Tar Heels build a huge early lead and beat Radford 95-50 on Sunday.

Williams made his first five shots, including all four 3-point tries, during that opening flurry. Quite a change for a player who was buried on the bench for a veteran team last year, making just 1 of 13 3-pointers and seeing his confidence suffer as a result.

“I’ve been waiting a year-and-a-half for a game like that,” Williams said. “I don’t want to say I knew it was coming, but with the confidence I have right now, I kind of expected it.”

While Williams’ play stood out, the Tar Heels (8-1) got a scare when they lost point guard Joel Berry II to a sprained left ankle early in the second half. The junior, averaging 16 points, came up hobbled as he drove into the paint and fell to the floor. He got up and walked slowly to the locker room for evaluation with 17:36 left, but didn’t return to the UNC bench with the Tar Heels up big.

Coach Roy Williams said Berry would have X-rays to confirm the sprain diagnosis and he was hopeful that Berry would be able to practice before Wednesday’s game against Davidson.

“We’ll have to wait and see what they say (Monday),” Williams said, “but I’m encouraged about it right now.”

The Tar Heels (8-1) were coming off a loss at No. 13 Indiana in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. They had no trouble in this one, running out to an 18-4 lead behind Kenny Williams’ opening burst and shooting 57 percent in the first half to build a 51-27 lead by the break.

Justin Cousin scored 14 points to lead the Highlanders (3-5), who shot 31 percent.

“Tough team, man,” Radford coach Mike Jones said. “They’re so big and physical. We played some good defense inside and they made the shot over us and that’s going to happen.”

BIG PICTURE

Radford: The Highlanders, picked sixth in the Big South Conference, had no way to slow the Tar Heels’ early tear. And that led to a fourth loss by double-digit margins, three coming by at least 21 points. Still, Radford isn’t likely to run up against a team such as UNC in the Big South, either.

UNC: The big shooting performance from Williams and Berry’s injury stood out here, with the Tar Heels potentially bolstering their perimeter scoring punch while seeing their floor leader go down to an injury.

POLL IMPLICATIONS

The Tar Heels will slide a bit in the AP Top 25 when the new poll comes out Monday, though losing on the road to a team ranked No. 13 nationally likely won’t cause a big drop.

POINT GUARDS

If Berry sits out, senior Nate Britt – who has played both guard positions in his career – would appear to be the next man up at the point. Freshman Seventh Woods also will figure into the mix; he had nine points in 22 minutes – both season highs – while getting plenty of work after Berry’s exit.

WILLIAMS’ SHOT

Williams, a 6-foot-4 wing from Midlothian, Virginia, made 5 of 6 3-pointers with a good-looking and confident stroke. Four of those came in the opening minutes, the last one a wide-open look from the left wing that brought Smith Center fans to a roar.

Williams said he worked in the offseason to minimize how much his guide hand pushes on the ball to affect his release.

“He’s put in a lot of time,” Roy Williams said. “I said even last year when he wasn’t putting the ball in the basket that he was going to be a good defensive player and I’m not sure he’s not our best perimeter defender right now.”

UP NEXT

Radford: The Highlanders host Elon on Saturday.

UNC: The Tar Heels play at home against Davidson on Wednesday night.

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South Carolina’s Sindarius Thornwell suspended

NEW YORK, NY - NOVEMBER 26:  Sindarius Thornwell #0 of the South Carolina Gamecocks drives to the basket defended by Tyler Lydon #20 of the Syracuse Orange in the second half during the Brooklyn Hoops Holiday Invitational at Barclays Center on November 26, 2016 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City.  (Photo by Michael Reaves/Getty Images)
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South Carolina senior guard Sindarius Thornwell has been suspended indefinitely due to a violation of athletic department policy, the school announced on Sunday.

Thornwell is averaging 18.7 points, 6.7 boards and 4.1 assists for the Gamecocks, who are undefeated and sitting at No. 20 nationally. Thornwell is the reigning SEC Player of the Week.

South Carolina plays FIU in Columbia at 2:00 p.m. ET.

Melo Trimble’s heroics get him a shout-out from Wale in a song

NEW YORK, NY - NOVEMBER 26:  Melo Trimble #2 of the Maryland Terrapins celebrates after hitting the game winning shot as they defeated the Kansas State Wildcats 69-68 during the championship game of the Barclays Center Classic at Barclays Center on November 26, 2016 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City.  (Photo by Michael Reaves/Getty Images)
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For the fourth time in the first three weeks of the college basketball season, Melo Trimble won a game for Maryland.

His two free throws in the final ten seconds gave the Terps a come-from-behind, 71-70 win over Oklahoma State in College Park, and the win not only was the sixth time this season that the Terps have won a game decided by six points or less, it improved Trimble’s record in those games to 26-5.

26-5!

That’s an insane statistic, one that should allow Maryland fans to truly appreciate just how valuable their junior point guard is.

At least one Maryland fan does. Rapper Wale, who hails from Maryland, just outside DC, made sure to name-drop his favorite Terp in a verse in a song he released on Saturday night:

And you better believe that Trimble is aware of it:

"My therapist terrible , I'm uh Terp Melo Trimbling" @wale

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Rick Pitino on Grand Canyon: ‘The toughest crowd I’ve ever faced’

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Louisville head coach Rick Pitino said after his No. 14 Cardinals struggled to put away a tough Grand Canyon team on the road had some kind – and hyperbolic – words to say about the atmosphere.

“This, in college basketball in my 40 plus year, was the toughest crowd I’ve ever faced,” he said.

Umm, but Rick, you’ve coached in the Big East and the ACC! This was tougher than any of those crowds?

“Whether we go to Duke, Kentucky, nothing was as tough as that crowd tonight,” he said.

Well, now.

That seems like a bit much, but to be fair, the atmosphere there was, shall we say, lit: