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College Basketball Talk staff reactions to Jack Taylor’s 138-point night

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In the day after Grinnell College’s Jack Taylor set the record for most points in a college game with 138 there have been no shortage of opinions on the matter. Some were appalled while others don’t see the need for folks to be so upset. So how did the College Basketball Talk crew see Taylor’s night? Those responses are below.

Rob Dauster
It’s a D3 game against a crap team. They wanted to see how many points that could get one kid to score. Anyone that takes this nore seriously than that needs to go home, drink a beer, take a shot, and realize that life ain’t that serious.

David Harten
I’m one of those people that sees it two ways.

1.) What Grinnell plays in general is not “basketball” to me, they simply “score points”. When you do what they do, stuff like this happens. So I view Taylor’s accomplishment as more of a gimmick than a feat.

2.) It’s Division III basketball. These kids play simply because they love it and get no financial assistance based on their athletic talents. Teams like Grinnell play like this to get publicity and because it’s fun. And when you have the athletic budgets the size of some large high schools in Texas, you do what you can to get noticed.

So while I don’t see it as an overly-impressive achievement, I do see it as an accomplishment worth noticing.

Troy Machir
I’m from the  Herm Edwards school of thought: “HELLO. You play to win the game.”

During a 2007 Mid-Atlantic Conference playoff lacrosse game against top-seeded Widener College, my Elizabethtown Blue Jays took a surprising one-goal lead early in the first quarter, and decided to kill as much time off the clock as humanly possible. Widener played a packed-in zone with no pressure on the ball-handler, which allowed up to kill as much time off the clock as we wanted when we got the ball into the offensive half of the field. It took Widener 3 quarters to figure out how to force us to move the ball.  Widener came in to the game averaging roughly 14gpg. They beat us in OT 3-2.

Should we show Jack Taylor’s game footage to youth basketball coaches around the country? Of course not. But to laud this as “selfish” and “bad for basketball” is just foolish. You play to win the game. If the kid can shoot, get him the ball. If the other team can’t stop him, keep shooting.

This is D-III sports. Sure, there was probably a bit of frustration from some of the players who may have had some open look. But if you’re on a team with a dude who is approaching triple-digits, you enjoy the ride.

It’s certainly not the most ideal, foolproof formula for success, but hey, On Tuesday November 21st, it worked.

Terrence Payne
Of course this is an incredible and ridiculous number to put up in a game. At the same there are going to be purists that hate this, but can you imagine being a student at small Grinnell College watching this happen? It must have been nuts for the 36 minutes he was out there.

Fact of the matter is this is D3 ball. The Faith Baptist Bible college coach already came out and said he is not offended. Jack Taylor put up a remarkable, potentially unbeatable number. It’s a fun story for basketball that doesn’t really matter to anyone but those who play in it. Give him his 15 minutes and wake me up when Grinnell is in the D3 title game.

Raphielle Johnson
Personally I have no problem with Jack Taylor’s 138 points last night. If the announcer’s comments at the start of the webcast weren’t enough for people to realize what was going on, watching the same guy shoot over and over should have made it clear the pursuit of a record was the goal of the contest. They didn’t tell Faith Baptist to not double- or triple-team (they did this at times, but clearly not enough) Taylor; their defensive issues aren’t the fault of either Taylor or Grinnell. Frankly we watch examples of “bad” basketball every day, but which would you rather watch: a guy scoring 138 points or a display like last week’s Fresno State/UC Riverside game (halftime score: 13-11)? And personally I don’t see the harm in Taylor’s performance, especially if his teammates went along with it.

Grinnell, using the style of play they’ve played for years, decided to have a player make a run at Bevo Francis’ record and got it. The head coach at Faith Baptist didn’t sound offended, and if he was something “more” probably would have been done during the game to prevent Taylor from going off. Jack Taylor had a great night and I salute him for it.

Daniel Martin

Part of the beauty of college basketball is the fact that there are so many different schools of thought and styles of play.

Just because Grinnell plays such a radically different system, it sets off a wave of outrage? This is the way the school traditionally plays. It’s a Division III basketball team playing with non-scholarship players who are having fun.

They’re an anomaly. If you were a Division III caliber player, why wouldn’t you go play for a program that gives you the opportunity to try something so drastically different?

I understand the contrarians. There are so many similar stories praising Mr. Taylor’s achievement that there is a market for tearing it down.

But why this over-the-top negative reaction? Do we have a legitimate fear that Tom Izzo and Roy Williams are finding a way to implement this system in Division I? C’mon.

Let Mr. Taylor enjoy his 15 minutes.

Eric Angevine

Essentially, in athletics, people do what they can do, and it’s up to the opponent to stop them. Sportsmanship is a nice concept, but so is playing your best and not holding back. As Daniel pointed out, people whined about dunking (including my favorite coach of all time John Wooden), but once that genie was out of the bottle, it wasn’t going back in. Guys can dunk, now someone has to figure out how to stop them.

In college football, teams that run up the score are LOVED. And let’s all act like we would have paid one iota of attention to some news out of Grinnell if it were about how many Rhodes Scholars they cranked out or that they played a game where somebody scored one point below the previous record.

So there are the thoughts of the CBT staff on Jack Taylor’s night. We’ll leave you with a very good point that Eric made on all of this:

We’ve heard in the past week that our conferences are going to be broken up even further, the NCAA is strong-arming former college kids in Miami, and we’re more upset about a kid essentially doing what basketball players are trained to do – score.

LATE NIGHT SNACKS: Five ranked teams fall, No. 12 Arizona survives

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GAME OF THE DAY: Syracuse 79, No. 18 UConn 76

The former Big East rivals met in the semifinals of the Battle 4 Atlantis and the game did not disappoint, with Jim Boeheim’s Orange pulling out a three-point victory. Michael Gbinije (17 points, seven assists) and Trevor Cooney played well on the perimeter, but junior Tyler Roberson and freshmen Malachi Richardson and Tyler Lydon made some big plays as well.

UConn couldn’t get the rebound of a Cooney missed shot in the final seconds, not getting a chance at a game-tying shot as a result. Daniel Hamilton led the Huskies with 18 points, 12 rebounds and seven assists.

Rob Dauster wrote more about this game here.


Monmouth 70, No. 17 Notre Dame 68: Justin Robinson made two free throws with 3.6 seconds remaining to give the Hawks a two-point win over the Fighting Irish at the Advocare Invitational in Orlando. Robinson scored a game-high 22 points, with Demetrius Jackson leading Notre Dame with 20.

No. 25 Texas A&M 62, No. 10 Gonzaga 61: Billy Kennedy’s team played outstanding defense on the Bulldogs’ final possession of the game, switching all screens and hanging on as Silas Melson’s shot missed the mark. Danuel House scored 19 points and Tonny Trocha-Morelos added 14 for the Aggies, who will play Syracuse in Friday’s Battle 4 Atlantis title game. Kyle Wiltjer scored 18 points and grabbed seven rebounds for Gonzaga.

San Diego State 72, No. 14 California 58: With 17:24 remaining the Golden Bears led 45-30 and looked well-positioned to advance to Friday’s Continental Las Vegas Classic title game. From that point on they were outscored 42-13, with SDSU combining improved offense with stifling defense. Winston Shepard scored all 15 of his points in the second half and Skylar Spencer added ten second-half points to lead the way for the Aztecs, who will play West Virginia Friday. Ivan Rabb scored 18 points and grabbed nine rebounds to lead the Golden Bears.


Denzel Valentine, Michigan State: Valentine posted his second triple-double of the season in the Spartans’ 99-68 win over Boston College, finishing with 29 points, 11 rebounds and ten assists.

Devin Williams, West Virginia: The junior forward scored 23 points and grabbed 12 rebounds to lead the Mountaineers to a 67-59 win over Richmond in Las Vegas.

Charles Mitchell, Georgia Tech: Mitchell scored 18 points and grabbed 18 rebounds in a win over Arkansas.

Jared Brownridge, Santa Clara: Sure he shot 11-for-29 from the field in scoring his 44 points, but given Santa Clara’s youth and lack of a consistent supplementary scorer Brownridge has to take those shots. The Broncos took No. 12 Arizona to overtime before falling by two points.


Stanford: Not only did the Cardinal shoot 26 percent in their loss to No. 8 Villanova, but they also committed 23 turnovers on the day.

Ryan Kemrite, Liberty: Kemrite shot 1-for-10 from the field, scoring two points in the Flames’ 73-62 loss to Appalachian State.

Arizona’s perimeter shooting: The Wildcats shot 3-for-22 from three in a two-point win over Santa Clara. Over the last two games Sean Miller’s team has shot 8-for-44 from beyond the arc.


  • No. 3 Michigan State rolled to a 99-68 win over Boston College, with the result being Tom Izzo’s 500th win as a head coach. Denzel Valentine went for 29 points, 11 rebounds and ten assists.
  • No. 8 Villanova shot just 30.6 percent from the field, but their opponents shot even worse in the 59-46 Wildcat win over Stanford. The Cardinal shot 26 percent from the field and committed 23 turnovers.
  • No. 12 Arizona survived questionable shot selection and a 44-point night from Jared Brownridge to beat winless Santa Clara 75-73 in overtime. Ryan Anderson scored 17 to lead the way for Arizona, which lost Kaleb Tarczewski in the second half to a left ankle injury.
  • Bennie Boatwright scored 22 points to lead USC to a 72-69 win over No. 20 Wichita State. Ron Baker led all scorers with 25 points, but he and Markis McDuffie (14 points) were the only Shockers to reach double figures.
  • No. 23 Xavier took over in the second half of its game against Alabama, outscoring the Crimson Tide by 16 points to win by the final score of 64-45.


  • Texas exacted a measure of revenge on Washington, beating the Huskies 82-70 at the Battle 4 Atlantis. The Huskies won the first meeting between the two teams this season in Shanghai in the season opener for both.
  • Georgia Tech advanced to the title game of the Preseason NIT with a ten-point win over Arkansas in Brooklyn. Charles Mitchell went for 18 points and 18 rebounds for the Yellow Jackets, who play No. 8 Villanova Friday.
  • Anthony Drmic scored 21 points and Chandler Hutchison added 13 points and ten rebounds as Boise State beat UC Irvine 71-64 at the DirecTV Wooden Legacy in Fullerton, California.
  • Devin Williams scored 23 points and grabbed 12 boards in West Virginia’s 67-59 win over Richmond at the Continental Tire Las Vegas Invitational. The Mountaineers only forced 14 turnovers, but they made up for it by limiting Richmond to 39.1 percent shooting.
  • Ben Bentil scored 24 points and Kris Dunn added 18 as Providence beat Evansville 74-64. The 24 points represents a career high for Bentil.
  • Scoochie Smith made two huge baskets and Charles Cooke scored 22 points as Dayton went on a game-ending 11-2 run to beat Iowa 82-77. Jarrod Uthoff led the Hawkeyes with 18 points.
  • Moritz Wagner scored 19 points to lead four players in double figures as Michigan rolled to a 102-47 win over Charlotte. After struggling offensively against UConn on Wednesday, the Wolverines shot 61.9 percent from the field against the 49ers.

No. 3 Michigan State routs Boston College 99-68

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FULLERTON, Calif. (AP) Denzel Valentine had a triple-double of 29 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, and No. 3 Michigan State beat Boston College 99-68 Thursday in an opening-round game at the DirectTV Wooden Legacy, giving coach Tom Izzo his 500th career victory.

Valentine helped the Spartans expand their 13-point halftime lead to 27 midway through the second half. His second triple-double of the season was the first in the event’s nine-year history.

Valentine’s six 3-pointers were one off his career high, and his points total was a career best.

Tum Tum Nairn added 13 points and eight assists for the Spartans, who shot 63 percent and dominated the boards 38-20.

After the final buzzer, Izzo’s players gathered around him at midcourt, holding up “Izzo 500” signs and posing for photos.

Eli Carter, a graduate transfer from Florida, led the Eagles with 22 points – one off his career high at BC.

The Spartans (5-0) next play Boise State (3-2) on Friday. The Broncos beat UC Irvine 71-64 in the day’s first game at cozy Titan Gym on the campus of Cal State Fullerton.

Boston College (3-1) will play Irvine (4-1) on Friday.

After hitting consecutive 3-pointers, Valentine backpedaled up the court smiling at Golden State Warriors star Draymond Green sitting courtside. Valentine converted a one-handed jam off a turnover and dashed over to high-five Green, clearly delighted by his alma mater’s theatrics.

Valentine scored 14 points in Michigan State’s 25-11 run to open the second half. The Spartans made four straight 3-pointers in the spurt, with Valentine hitting three in a row and passing to Bryn Forbes for the other.

The Eagles tried rallying from the perimeter, getting three straight 3s while closing to 80-59. It didn’t help. Valentine sparked a 10-0 burst with a basket and an assist that pushed Michigan State’s lead to 88-59.

The Spartans led 46-33 at halftime, getting 13 straight points from Valentine in a 23-13 run to close the half. He had eight points as the Spartans rattled off 10 in a row to launch the spurt that produced their largest lead of 15.

Michigan State shot 62 percent in the game’s opening minutes and built a 19-10 lead before Valentine even made his first basket. The Eagles answered with a 10-4 run to close to 23-20 before Valentine’s offensive outburst gave the Spartans a cushion.


Boston College: The Eagles were trying for their first 4-0 start since 2007. … Assistant coach Stan Heath, in his first season with the Eagles, spent five years in the same job under Izzo before leaving after the 2001 season.

Michigan State: Green played for the Spartans from 2008-12. … Michigan State evened the all-time series 3-3. … Valentine joined Green as one of only four Spartans to record a triple-double. Green had three in his career.


Boston College plays UC Irvine on Friday.

Michigan State plays Boise State on Friday.